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Nazi armored car to armored limo

Kid_Kyoto — GMT

So I think I found the perfect vehicle to serve as an inquisitor's armored limo, an Italiari 1/35 german armored car. It will count as a Chimera.

Despite my aversion to using Nazi stuff I have to admit this is a perfect 40k vehicle, big, ugly impractical, hulking. Just the thing for a sunday drive. Besides I won't be using it to recreate Nazi armies.

Right now I'm torn on whether or not to do the turret or just have a pop-up weapon from the interior. Any thoughts?

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Waaagh_Gonads — GMT

When I saw the title I knew it would be one of your modelling articles.

I'd say go the current turrent with a differnt gun barrel (something beefier) as you are trying to create a chimera stand in, not an open top vehicle ala a salamander.

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alarmingrick — GMT

as Gonads suggested, use the turret with different weapons.
or, i'd suggest trying a Predator turret.
i think it's a good limo choice.

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GMMStudios — GMT

You know in the picture its a regular German army vehicle, not so much a Nazi vehicle. There is a difference.

Its kinda like saying vehicles driven by the Americans in WW2 by the *regular army* were vehicles of the party in the white house at the time.

therefore don't feel bad using German vehicles, just dont put swastikas on them

Edit: I know on some those bars are just roll bars, but they look kinda futile here, so they may be for the radio.

They might look good if you covered them in something canvas looking, as a soft top.

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JD21290 — GMT

to be honest mate, your not going to paint the Swas on them, so it doesent matter, it will be used as something different.
and looks like it could turn out well.

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Kilkrazy — GMT

The mesh thing is for hanging wet clothes. This vehicle is a panzergrenadier mobile laundry.

If you want the armoured limo look, leave the turret off and make a sun-roof with a pop-up weapon.

If you keep the turret, replace the machine guns with twin flamers or something.

You should put rivets, skulls and eagles on either way. Someone did an article about rivets.

http://www.dakkadakka.com/wiki/en/Adding_Studs_to_Your_Models

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CorporateLogo — GMT

I think the mesh thing is used as a protection of sorts against grenades.

[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f6/British_Mark_I_male_tank_Somme_25_September_1916.jpg[/img]

Though chances are I may be wrong.

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GMMStudios — GMT

How would that stop a grenade? It would have to be covered or something.

Im pretty sure its for radio on your picture too. Thats one of those tanks that lays radio cable.

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alarmingrick — GMT

"The mesh thing is for hanging wet clothes. This vehicle is a panzergrenadier mobile laundry."

dang it! they told me it was a hanging pots and pans rack!
i swear a salesperson wil say anything to sell a car...

i was going to suggest a heavy bolter for the turret.
but what weapon were you going with if you keep the turret?

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CorporateLogo — GMT

[quote=GMMStudios]How would that stop a grenade? It would have to be covered or something.

Im pretty sure its for radio on your picture too. Thats one of those tanks that lays radio cable.[/quote]

Well, here's the quote under the image.

"An early model British Mark I "male" tank, named C-15, near Thiepval, 25 September 1916. The tank is probably in reserve for the Battle of Thiepval Ridge which began on 26 September. The tank is fitted with the wire "grenade shield" and steering tail, both features discarded in the next models.

Photograph by Lt. Ernest Brooks.
Imperial War Museum catalogue number Q 2486."

This wouldn't be the first time Wikipedia may be wrong though.

THE MYSTERY HAS BEEN SOLVED:

[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schwerer_Panzersp%C3%A4hwagen#Sd.Kfz._232]click here[/url]

Feel free to ignore all my garbage about it being a grenade defense, or laugh at my ignorance if you so wish.

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Kilkrazy — GMT

Some armoured cars had grenade-deflecting mesh on the turrets. It looks like chicken wire.

http://www.armortek.co.uk/assets/sdkfz%20222.pdf

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youbedead — GMT

I personally like the pop-up weapon idea

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Kid_Kyoto — GMT

[quote=Waaagh_Gonads]When I saw the title I knew it would be one of your modelling articles.

I'd say go the current turrent with a differnt gun barrel (something beefier) as you are trying to create a chimera stand in, not an open top vehicle ala a salamander.[/quote]

But I'd also like something that looks 'street legal'. So right not I'm thinking of popping off one of the side hatches on the engine and having a heavy bolter peek out of there and covering the big turret hole with a hatch and having a multilaser coming out of that one.

[quote=GMMStudios]You know in the picture its a regular German army vehicle, not so much a Nazi vehicle. There is a difference.

Its kinda like saying vehicles driven by the Americans in WW2 by the *regular army* were vehicles of the party in the white house at the time.

therefore don't feel bad using German vehicles, just dont put swastikas on them

[/quote]

from time to time people will come through here looking to make 'WWII German-themed armies' and they will bend over backwards claiming it's just their respect for the Wehrmacht and not any sympathy towards the Nazis that drives them and therefore everything is kosher (so to speak).

I regard that as BS. The Nazi party was the state and had complete control of its apparatus especially the military. Trying to divide the 'WWII German army' from the Nazi party is like trying to split the People's Liberation Army from the Communist Party of China. Showing sympathy or admiration from the Wehrmacht requires ignoring, well everything they did and everything they stood for.

So yeah, not every soldier was a Nazi party member but it's perfectly fair to describe the military as a whole as the Nazi army. Just as not every PLA soldier is a communist party member but they are a communist military answering to a communist government.

So yeah, I hate the idea of using a Nazi tank as even the basis of a conversion but it's by far the closest thing I have found to my vision of a 40k street vehicle.

I'll do some US M8 armored cars as penance.

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Swordbreaker — GMT

As a historical gamer I often see the issues some people have with why/how armies of questionable morals are presented. The most obvious is in this case, the Nazis, but there were plenty of other groups in history that committed major atrocities. This brings to this quote from your own response:

[quote]Trying to divide the 'WWII German army' from the Nazi party is like trying to split the People's Liberation Army from the Communist Party of China.[/quote]
Your profile says you are from Red China, so simply by proximity the issue is made important to you, and so you have learned what the difference between these two are. The majority of people in the world don't have the first clue what the differences between the PLA and Communist Party would be. Just keep thatin perspective: what could be massively important to you, the next person may not give a rat's @$$ about it nor ever care to learn.

I agree that some people give some serious BS reasons as to why they want to make their 40K army look like a bunch of nasty Germans. They probably get off on the attention they get from being "shocking". More acutely all they know about the history of the period is what pathetic dribble they learned during the few hours their High School history course spent on it, topped off with more tidbits of stereotypes provided by popular culture entertainment. On the flip side when you argue/complain about them you need to be careful you don't come across as the whiny-emo-gamer-kid. When you are trying to argue against them by using vague generalizations like:
[quote]The Nazi party was the state and had complete control of its apparatus especially the military.... Showing sympathy or admiration from the Wehrmacht requires ignoring, well everything they did and everything they stood for.... So yeah, not every soldier was a Nazi party member but it's perfectly fair to describe the military as a whole as the Nazi army.[/quote]
It shows that you are just as under educated on the topic as they are. Don't use generalizations, especially on something like this that can get people all worked up over it! If you have a problem with people making lame BS justifications as to why they think it's okay to play as Nazis in 40K you really should do some historical research about them so you can make a much more solid argument against these people. Nothing shuts people's arguments down more than proving you know far more about the topic then they do.

Onto the model;

This was a German reconnaissance vehicle used in the early parts of the war. The large set of "roll bars" above the hull was part of the high powered radio.

Some German tanks carried a layer of spaced armor along the sides of the hull and turret that was designed to cause the impact fuses of anti tank weapons to detonate prematurely and expend their chemical energy before hitting the main hull of the tank. It worked good against stuff like RPGs and Bazookas but the kinetic energy AT rounds fired by high velocity guns simply tore right through it. Later in the war they needed to conserve materials so a metal mesh was used instead of sheets because the mesh used less metal to make.

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Kid_Kyoto — GMT

[quote]
It shows that you are just as under educated on the topic as they are. Don't use generalizations, especially on something like this that can get people all worked up over it! If you have a problem with people making lame BS justifications as to why they think it's okay to play as Nazis in 40K you really should do some historical research about them so you can make a much more solid argument against these people. Nothing shuts people's arguments down more than proving you know far more about the topic then they do. [/quote]

Dude my whole point is I've staked out some pretty extreme ground on the subject over the years. We've had a few posters who come in wanting to do SS themed armies claiming they're not 'Nazis' and I'm always there to jump down their throat.

So I do feel a tinge of guilt at using their stuff even for a one off conversion.

I h8 Nazis.

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1hadhq — GMT

[quote=Kid_Kyoto]
I regard that as BS. The Nazi party was the state and had complete control of its apparatus especially the military. Trying to divide the 'WWII German army' from the Nazi party is like trying to split the People's Liberation Army from the Communist Party of China. Showing sympathy or admiration from the Wehrmacht requires ignoring, well everything they did and everything they stood for.
[/quote]
This 3 lines are BS.
If you don't know a theme,just leave it to others.Talk about your PLA if you want to,but do us a favour and be quiet about WW II
with your political colored view.
[quote]
So yeah, not every soldier was a Nazi party member but it's perfectly fair to describe the military as a whole as the Nazi army. Just as not every PLA soldier is a communist party member but they are a communist military answering to a communist government.
[/quote]
Its perfectly ignorant to relate partys of a few thousand members with millions of soldiers.Great work
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I'll do some US M8 armored cars as penance.
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I'll hope for it.
Stick to american or british vehicles if its still a WWII vehicle after converting to 40k

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Swordbreaker — GMT

I don't have any problem with you jumping all over the Naziphiles, however I think in your own extremist intolerance has you slathering against all things German, an all or nothing approach.

The Nazis were a bunch of thugs who managed to seize more and more power over the course of about 20 years through various means. They basically told the German populous what they wanted to hear until the Nazi party grew to a point where it's power base was simply too strong for people to resist and by that time they [i]were[/i] the government. During the 30s a lot of people saw what was going on, mostly those in academia, and fled the country, which is a big part of why the US and Britain had so many good scientists during WWII. To make things way over simplified you had a group of vile bullies who had seized power unopposed because they told people what they wanted to hear and those who opposed were often killed.

After WWI Germany was shattered. It was suffering a horrible depression and generally the citizens sense of pride in their country was very low. The Nazis lived up to their campaign promises of rebuilding a shattered Germany, to revitalize the nation to it's formal glory. People wanted to hear this, they wanted to live in a strong country, so the minor shadowy deals tended to get overlooked by a population that was looking to rebuild. Add into this mix the very strong, very old antisemitism that was rife in central Europe. The Nazis had an instant and convenient scape goat, the Jews. So you had the broken people of a broken nation who were looking desperately for a savior, along comes this group with a dynamic leader with a plan to rebuild the country and a message that it was someone else's fault. People ate it up so fast they never saw the poison core.

Well why didn't they just all leave or overthrow the government? They couldn't. Why not? Closing borders and Gun Control. The Nazi government really started to cut down on the amount of people being allowed to leave Germany, and just because you can leave your country doesn't mean you can actually afford to! It costs a helluva lot, and not just in money, to uproot your entire life and family and move to a whole new nation and start over again. The Nazis took away the people's ability to openly fight the government. Also, the Nazis were not concerned with notions like a fair trial, they simply showed up in the middle of the night and cut your throat. Who do you go to when the police are the executioners, they've taken your guns and won't let you leave? By this point the German citizens who were not backing the Nazis where scared into obedience. Remember, there was no 1st Amendment right to free speech in Nazi Germany. If the Nazi's didn't want some nasty deed getting into the papers, it didn't. There were no ifs, ands or buts, if you tired to talk, you were killed. By then, the Nazi party was the ruling political party, by force, of the German nation. In no way was the entire population of Germany involved with the Nazi party. While they could not resist, many did not support it either.

In Germany's armed forces you had a division. The regular army (referred to as Heer forces) tended to see themselves as professional soldiers for their country, not for a political party. The SS units were the military units of the Nazi party, and since they so loved their government masters they got the best kit. The regular army was stuck however, having to listen to the orders of the ruling government. There were some times of very tense dealings between regular army units and personnel and the Nazi/SS commanders and units.

So there is a ridiculously short summation. I doubt it will change your views at all, but hopefully someone else reading this may find it interesting. Lords knows that unless you take a specific history class, that's more than what they teach you in school anymore. The Nazis were horrible, but not everyone in Germany at that time or in it's army was a Nazi.

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The Dreadnote — GMT

MEANWHILE, BACK IN POLITICALLY NEUTRAL TERRITORY

So yeah, I'd want to put some wider tires on that thing. It just looks too narrow for my taste. Like a giant bodsled.

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wight_widow — GMT

Aw give him a break. You know the term "Hun" as applied to Germans comes directly from Kaiser Wilhelm II's mouth after a speech he made to the departing German contingent sent to help put down the Boxer rebellion. (a good example given the Huns had been a thorn in the side of the old Chinese Empire for centuries before they turned their attentions westward - ol' Bill just wasn't the most diplomatic of gents) The only good thing the Germans ever did for China was leave their brewey at their colony at Tsingtao. (Western spelling) (and I guess supplying the Nationalist army with Mausers, POS-lil Panzer Is and those sweet-ass uniforms just prior to WWII would fall into the same category, but those guys all got chased off to Taiwan so that doesn't really count) The atrocities committed by the Germans in putting down the Boxers were considered extreme by their fellow Europeans even for the time, when Chinamen were seen as "damned yellow monkeys" (edit - I actually think that that particular quote was applied against the Japanese, but given China was seen as a more backwards version of Japan at the time, the sentiment was probably about accurate) even by the most progressive of honkies. Even in an age of brutalitiy and imperialism, the nastiness of that particular campaign as waged by that particular part of the allied army was legend. So give the guy a break. I wouldn't ask a Pole to love a Russian or a Croatian or Bosnian Muslim to love a Serb - I sure wouldn't expect a Chinaman to love a Kraut either. All that proves is that he DOES know his history.

Back on topic:

I don't know my hardware that well but I can tell you the vehicle in question is a command vehicle and that funky-@$$ thing on top is a radio aerial. Wire mesh I do know WAS used against grenades by the Americans and Australians in Indochina - it does nothing against the shrapnel, but given the idea of throwing a grenade is that it explodes AFTER it lands, it's a lot safer having it blow up OUTSIDE the hut/vehicle than inside it.

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Agamemnon2 — GMT

[quote=Kid_Kyoto]Dude my whole point is I've staked out some pretty extreme ground on the subject over the years. We've had a few posters who come in wanting to do SS themed armies claiming they're not 'Nazis' and I'm always there to jump down their throat.

So I do feel a tinge of guilt at using their stuff even for a one off conversion.[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about it. Hypochrisy is nothing to be ashamed of.

If you don't like it, just use a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BA-20]BA-20[/url] or a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Armoured_Car]Rolls-Royce Armoured Car[/url] as the basis for your conversion in stead.

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syr8766 — GMT

if you're going to stick with the German car, why not flip it backwards, so that the rear is the front and vice-versa?

Otherwise, I'd look for WWI armored cars etc. I think Sloppy Jalopy makes some, as does Copplestone.

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Wildrider — GMT

[quote=Agamemnon2] If you don't like it, just use a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BA-20]BA-20[/url] or a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Armoured_Car]Rolls-Royce Armoured Car[/url] as the basis for your conversion in stead.[/quote]

Because of course, the Russians and British have never commited ANY atrocities in history !

Hey KK - good to know that good old 'Universe is Black and White' philosophy of yours is still going strong!
I know you well enough to know that anything I say will not change your opinion, but that doesn't make your opinion right either
Just pulling your leg for old times sake - good to see some familiar 'faces' still around !

As for my opinion on the Nazi-German thing, Swordbreaker has put my point of view for me, admirably, with one extra point - don't be so quick to write off all WWII German 'stuff' as Nazi and therefore bad, as virtually every post war nation has used the German technology of the time to improve it's own, with little or no guilt trip, from Night Vision technology, to Camouflage techniques to Infantry weapons, not to mention rocketry (and the list goes on...) - Dismiss it all as simply Nazi affiliated, and you'd have to decry almost every nation in the world by association.

I've only been back for a few posts and already I'm into history debates, oh how things change, the more they stay the same ! Oh it's good to be back !

Any, back on topic - ditch the radio mast assembly for starters.

Ditching the kit turret will make it look less obviously like a [b]German[/b] 6 rad armoured car. Have you tried a chimera turret on the top to see how it looks instead?

Don't poke the gun out of the engine hatches, keep it up high, say where the crew compartment visors are on the front, keep it to one side, and a visor to the other side - try the drivers visor from a chimera instead of the kit one - will help make it look more 40K, less 'German - Polish Invasion era'.

Definately needs wider wheels.

Why not clip down the lasgun mounts from the back of a Chimera, and add them to the back portion of the crew compartment (rear sides and back panel)

If this bit of the model superstructure is too low to add these kind of bits, you can always add an extra top portion from plasticard to follow the vehicles contours upwards.

What are you doing about repping the troop hatches? Putting one on the back ? I'd also ditch the model hatches and use IG ones.

Whatever you use for wheels, on the rears, put some plasticard across the mudguard assembly to make it look less flimsy, and more armoured.

Why not chop up some of the boxy Chimera side panels (the ones that fix to the outside of the track units), and add them to the Limo as external storage compartments?

I think that's my idea's bin all emptied for now.

As for M8's ? Forget it - too weedy. If you want a really beefy looking armoured car (that's not [b]German[/b] ), get hold of the Italeri Staghound - designed by the US, but used by the British - is larger than M5 light tanks, and has wheels like a tractor !

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redstarone — GMT

Holy crap, let KK do what he wants. This has turned into once giant "my opinion is right and yours is wrong thread". Did any of you actually live in germany during WW2? No i didnt think so..

My grand parents were jewish, they stayed in germeny all the way until the end of the war, hiding out to avoid the nazis sending them to a deathcamp. Alot of my family wasnt so lucky. Now if you were to ask them about the german people during that time they would say maybe 10% of the german people werent activily helping the nazi party by turning in jews. Yes they were doing it out of fear, but still, caling the SS to have your jewish friend taken away is pretty messed up. Plus, because of a ton of reasons I wont even go into, they have an entirely diffrent view of germany and the nazis.

Onto the modeling topic, as it should be...

I think the kit works great for what you want to use it as. I think with enough gubbinz all over it, and some GW weapons, it will work perfectly as an inquis armored limo.

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Kanluwen — GMT

...isn't Kyoto from New York or something and working in China? o_O
Or am I remembering some urban legend from Old Dakka?

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Agamemnon2 — GMT

[quote=Wildrider][quote=Agamemnon2] If you don't like it, just use a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BA-20]BA-20[/url] or a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Armoured_Car]Rolls-Royce Armoured Car[/url] as the basis for your conversion in stead.[/quote]
Because of course, the Russians and British have never commited ANY atrocities in history !
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Hey, KK intimated that his problem was specifically with the Nazi thing. Also let's face it, a lot fewer people would give you flak for having a Rolls-Royce AC even though it took place in WWI, the Irish Civil War and WW2. And as bad as the WW2 USSR was, they're not as automatically demonized like WW2 Germans are. This doesn't have as much to do with historical facts as the views people have of the forces involved.

Personally, I'd use whatever kit I wanted without any compunctions on the historical precedents. I already have a Krupp truck towing my thudd-guns and at the moment I'm working on an Alkett Minenraumer to turn into a Hellhound. Then again, I'm not the one telling people what they can or cannot do modelling-wise. If they want [i]Balkenkreutz[/i]es and Svastikas on their tanks, it's their choice, and it's not my place to tell them they're having [i]badwrongfun[/i].

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Miguelsan — GMT

My only problem with the model is that it screans WWII!. I tried converting an SK251 some time ago and ended up thorwing it away it was too anti-40K. Probably a WWI model would fit better with your inquisitor. The Rolls above does in my POV. Other options already posted are the russian interwars armored cars with lots of rivets.

M.

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malfred — GMT

That limo has not enough gothic. Maybe you could decorate it with CoD buildings as you
are wont to do.

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Shadow Nugz — GMT

I like the model and think it will fit well with most 40k stuff.

However, your dislike of everything German is interesting. You have to have some respect for the Wecrmacht (sp?), they revolutionized warfare and also introduced the Blitzkrieg, which I am proud to say, has been used sucessfully for many years by most countries. Try again with your ideas then make more models.

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wight_widow — GMT

ON TOPIC PLEASE

edit1 - actually there's an awful lot of energy here on that whole Wehrmacht thing. I think this warrants its own thread in the OT forum...

edit2 - http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/217709.page
that oughta do the trick. Comments on how Kyoto can make a cool vehicle here, comments on the old Wehrmacht traditions of bayonetting pregnant women in the stomach and firebombing civilians there.
edit3 - my bad that'd actually be the Luftwaffe - their role in blitzkrieg was to choke the streets with corpses and panicked civilians...but keep all that stuff OVER THERE so the OP can get USEFUL feedback HERE without having the thread LOCKED.

edit4 - back on topic again:

I like the popup weapon idea best. Just have a passel of boys pointing gunz outta the empty hole in the top and add some deranged lookind Grots holding on with wrenches etc. Larger wheels and/or some kind of deathrolla thingie would look cool too.

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Arctik_Firangi — GMT

If I was commissioned to design a vehicle for the Nazi party, I wouldn't be thinking in the spirit of the Nazi party.

I wouldn't be thinking, 'Gee, this would do kikes in great!', or, 'Let's see the brown-eyes run from THIS!'
But chances are I'm a WAR PROFITEER, something just as ugly as whatever pile of innocent victims you are most sympathetic to.
(EDIT: Chosen Sons of Israel, then. Incidentally, Modern Israel is very relevant to the direction this thread has taken. Kind of like if America's own Nazi party.)

If you can take up Warhammer as a hobby and cope with its themes, then you can deal with someone painting swastikas on their vehicles. If atrocity is the factor, then every other race in the 40K universe should be even more taboo. Now I knew a lot of 'neo-Nazis' in Australia (used to live near Canberra, the drug, porn and explosives warehouse we keep next to our Parliament House), but they were just part of that obvious minority of folk who were grossly misled on what was socially acceptable to the masses, just like the German homosexuals of the 1940s. Nowadays they BOTH just get beaten to pulp by thick-necked nationalists with flags tatooed on their arms. What's the difference?

BTW, I'm not a Nazi and have no qualms with homosexuality, except for that one dyke who punched me in the back on the head at a gig. That was her problem.

On topic, the tank looks great - lacking in frontage on the frontside armour though. Needs eagles/icons/heraldry if your army is so inclined... You could have the heavy bolter popping out of that front hatch, perhaps? Other than that just an engine that makes no mechanical sense mounted in an unlikely position, and you've got a 40K vehicle!

EDIT: This thread has inspried me to start a North Korean styled army comprised of black lesbian jews in wheelchairs. Open a thread if you have any good suggestions for that.

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Agamemnon2 — GMT

I think doing something to the wheels would be a good bet, if only because 1:35 wheels are the size of tractor tyres to 40k miniatures.

A particularly impractical idea I had would be if the vehicle had metal wheels, for better grinding heretics underfoot.

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Miguelsan — GMT

Nah! You just use a dozerblade to carry them to the stake. But double wheels could make it a less flimsy.

M.

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Frazzled — GMT

Car seems a little small for a chimera mockup. But hey it looks like you already have the model. A chimera’s supposed to be a BMP like light tank. Having said that I wouldn’t have a problem with it, representing the latest in non-skimmer STC tech.

1. Would put something on it to represent the closed top. Doesn’t have to be perfect just something (even the aforementioned grill and netting). As long as all your “chimeras’ are identical in this regard then you should be good.

2. Guns themselves should be WYSIWYG.

3. Whatever you do, you’re going to need lots of skulls. How else can we tell you apart from chaos? It can’t be imperial without the requisite blinding sheer number of skulls that would make an Aztec priest puke.

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Arctik_Firangi — GMT

A thick armoured plate (like the front of a steam tank) would be a great way to represent 12/10/10 armour, and as an Inquisitor's command limo I don't necessarily think it needs be fielded with all-matching Chimeras at all.

IT SHOULD BE DIFFERENT, like an Inquisitor's power armour, or fancy gun, or ridiculous special rule. That's the fun thing about Inquisitors - it's an excuse to culturally theme your army based on the individual's passionate hatred of something (aliens, heretics, Chosen Sons of Israel etc.)

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ChaosDave — GMT

[quote=Agamemnon2][quote=Kid_Kyoto]Dude my whole point is I've staked out some pretty extreme ground on the subject over the years. We've had a few posters who come in wanting to do SS themed armies claiming they're not 'Nazis' and I'm always there to jump down their throat.

So I do feel a tinge of guilt at using their stuff even for a one off conversion.[/quote]

I wouldn't worry about it. Hypochrisy is nothing to be ashamed of.

If you don't like it, just use a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BA-20]BA-20[/url] or a [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolls-Royce_Armoured_Car]Rolls-Royce Armoured Car[/url] as the basis for your conversion in stead.[/quote]

What I really don't understand in this thread is, it's just a vehicle. It doesn't have any political opinions. It doesn't represent anything. It didn't commit any crimes it is just a tool nothing more nothing less. Assigning political affiliations to inanimate objects is just silly.

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jmurph — GMT

Wow. A plastic car for playing toy soldier makes people go into diatribes about Nazis and nationalistic group dynamics.

Anyhow, the wheels do seem too narrow as everything in 40K is ridiculously OTT. So double them up, put some wheel guards to conceal or tread it. Or maybe servitors carrying it. Whatever. There are also not enough rivets,skulls, icons, etc. as pointed out. In the 41st millennium there is only bling.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

the nazi's were a political / radical group, you all know the history.

this is a piece of plastic, it wont attack people at random, it wont commit genocide, its a model!
people need to chill out, its being used as a conversion.
so, black templers now offend people as it resembles the cross? list goes on, people get stupid, leave it out.
hes making a model for a fantasy army, not starting a political movement.

sorry for the rant, just get annoyed with some people.

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Stelek — GMT

Using WW2 German tanks in your 40k armies is almost always a loser because you guys don't make them look like something else or convert the army to a high standard across the board.

Hurr Panzers does not make them appropriate for this game system.

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Stelek — GMT

[quote=ChaosDave]What I really don't understand in this thread is, it's just a vehicle. It doesn't have any political opinions. It doesn't represent anything. It didn't commit any crimes it is just a tool nothing more nothing less. Assigning political affiliations to inanimate objects is just silly.[/quote]

Symbolism. Learn it, fear it.

Like the rest of us.

I could post pics, but why bother?

Either you understand why WW2 German tanks are bad for 40K, or you don't and never will.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

Stelek, whats your problem?
you have just judged everyone here unfit to convert something when you havent see anything.
come up with some explanations please.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

[quote]Symbolism. Learn it, fear it.
Like the rest of us.
I could post pics, but why bother?
Either you understand why WW2 German tanks are bad for 40K, or you don't and never will. [/quote]

fear nothing, its nothing like the real thing stelek, your just exasibating the situation.
its a plastic model, just like alot of the GW range, so, you cant use a converted tank because it a symbol of nazi histeria.
but you can paint a swas on a marine and its fine?

and i dont charge for my bad grammar, that comes free.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

Stelek — GMT

Dude, you don't use Nazi tanks in 40K without denazi-fying them.

If you aren't sure why it's not accepted in the gaming community, you are clueless or trolling.

Look up 'KZ Manager', and then make a Dawn of War expansion based on that theme and see just what people really think of 40K after that.

Man, what is MY problem. Indeed.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

i know, and people are denazi-fying them.
so have bad grammar and you make new words, good start.

i am not clueless, not annoyed at people blowing things out of proportion.
it has no swas on it, nor does it have any german / nazi iconography.
and it aint exactly shouting out "hail hitla" is it?
so many games have covered german warfare, nothing new.

by the seems of it stelek you have another issue with this, rather than just asking him to change it a bit more you start complaining like an old woman.
just ask him to change it a bit more, or leave it alone.
how does this model effect you?

Nazi armored car to armored limo

Stelek — GMT

It is my community.

The 99.9999% of us that reject the Nazis and their symbols don't want them in our game making US look bad by association.

Now that I've stated the obvious, are you done?

I certainly hope so.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

ChaosDave — GMT

[quote=Stelek][quote=ChaosDave]What I really don't understand in this thread is, it's just a vehicle. It doesn't have any political opinions. It doesn't represent anything. It didn't commit any crimes it is just a tool nothing more nothing less. Assigning political affiliations to inanimate objects is just silly.[/quote]

Symbolism. Learn it, fear it.

Like the rest of us.

I could post pics, but why bother?

Either you understand why WW2 German tanks are bad for 40K, or you don't and never will.[/quote]

The swastika is symbolism, this is just a car and symbolizes nothing. Otherwise if you really want to talk symbolism like that then you should run around to everyone who owns a VW bug and scream at them for being Nazi sympathizers for driving Hitlers Volkswagen (peoples car).

Seriously as long as people aren't putting swastikas and other Nazi symbolism on their models then there isn't any problem.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

no stelek, this is everyones community, not yours.
this is not nazi, its a freakin model! used and converted to escort IG, not a unit of german infantry.
you have not stated anything other than you have a problem with this, and its your problem alone.
have you asked him to change it? and i want that Q. answered.

not by a long shot.
not untill you realise how stupid you are making yourself sound by outlawing this without asking him, or providing a reasonable explanation as to why you hate this so much, when everyone else has no problems with it.

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Krak_kirby — GMT

If it's an inquisitor's battlefield transport/limo I would add a turret with a stormtrooper officer. I would also add some fancy grillwork on the front, with an Aquila or an inquisitorial symbol, chrome plated, and large headlamps. After all, if the inquisitor is going all low key subterfuge, like Eisenhorn or Ravenor, he would use whatever transport the inducted forces have handy for their command unit. If he's blowing in all "I AM THE WILL OF THE EMPEROR!", then you gotta make that battlefield taxi as ostentatious as possible. Flags and scrollwork, gold and chrome and leather, covered in seals and arcane equipment, you get the idea...

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

i think we should start a "pimp my chimera" thread the way this is going kirby

Nazi armored car to armored limo

Arctik_Firangi — GMT

Get a cheap throwaway MP3 player and model the smallest speakers you can find into it. Alternatively, the biggest ones you can fit.

Actually, make that a miniature radio, and carry an AM
transmitter with a microphone in your shirt pocket.

"I am the will of the Emperor" indeed!

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Frazzled — GMT

Mod mode on:
1) Lets keep it polite people
Mod mode off

1) Kid Kyoto You've not given us the number of skulls to be pasted onto that puppy.

2) Some can convert Ze Germans ok. IG mesh quite well into their vehicles (which can be disconcerting actually)

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[IMG]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q145/jfrazell/tank008.jpg[/IMG]

[IMG]http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q145/jfrazell/tank007.jpg[/IMG]

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alarmingrick — GMT

"Dude, you don't use Nazi tanks in 40K without denazi-fying them. "

firstly, he is. he was talking about using the model. not making it into

a 3rd reich version of pimp my =I= ride.

"It is my community."

it's actually all of our community, as long as we follow the rules.

"The 99.9999% of us that reject the Nazis and their symbols don't want them in our game making US look bad by association."

and some how you still think he want's to glorify the nazi? we all, including KK, reject everything about the nazis.

admit it Stelek, you were the one guy using his hair dryer while in the shower and while sleeping,weren't you? because of you

we all have that stupid tag on our hair dryers.

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MagickalMemories — GMT

Well, I think it's a cool looking vehicle.
Honestly, though, I see more "Ork Trukk" use for it than "Counts as a Chimera," but that's just me.
Where did you get this model? I'm only asking because, seeing how cool it looked inspired me to look up Italeri on ebay and I found a copy of this for almost $70 US!!!!!
Seems like an expensive Chimera. LOL
I DID find a lot of cool conversion fodder for Ork Trukks, though... So, thanks for that.

I really think you need a turret, if you're going to count it as a Chimera... and some lasguns mounted to it, as well. If you're going to use it as a Chimera, might as well make sure to cover all the bases.

I think the tires are fine, as is. I mena, they're BIG... but it's supposed to be an armored Limo. It needs hefty tires.

Lastly, I think you shouldn't worry about who used the vehicle in REAL LIFE. It's simply a model, and it will only represent what you say it will. I mean, anyone who plays Xenos Hunters when it comes out isn't automatically a racist. Right?

Stay away from the "naughty symbols" and "bad colors" and you're just fine. Using the model doesn't support Nazi's or WWII Germany. It supports the company you bought it from... and the only ideals it supports, therefore, are capitalism.

Eric

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jmurph — GMT

[quote=Stelek]Dude, you don't use Nazi tanks in 40K without denazi-fying them.
Look up 'KZ Manager', and then make a Dawn of War expansion based on that theme and see just what people really think of 40K after that.

Man, what is MY problem. Indeed.[/quote]

I believe Relic actually did something along these lines. It is called Company of Heroes. And you even have a campaign as the Panzer Elite in the latest expansion. Good thing everybody hated that!

KK, what is your status report? The Emperor does not tolerate delay.

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Hordini — GMT

I'm waiting to see how many skulls will be added, before passing judgment. I don't see any reason why there can't be at least twenty, that's only five per side.

Go for it, Kid_Kyoto.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

Jazz is for Losers — GMT

[quote=Stelek]
Man, what is MY problem. Indeed.[/quote]

Without a detailed case history I could only speculate.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JohnHwangDD — GMT

To be honest, I don't like the importing of RL scale models into 40k. At least, not without a lot of conversion. Typically, that means cutting an inch or two out of the length of the hull so that the vehicles are 40k-proportioned: short front-to-back, but normal width and height top-to-bottom.

With respect to KK's armored car, I think it needs at least an extra 3/4" of width, along with at least 1-1/2" off the nose. Do that, and it'll be OK for 40k.

With respect to JFraz' Koenigstiger, the turret swap helps, but it's still too long, and the exposed suspension is very un-Imperial.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

Frazzled — GMT

[quote=Hordini]I'm waiting to see how many skulls will be added, before passing judgment. I don't see any reason why there can't be at least twenty, that's only five per side.

Go for it, Kid_Kyoto. [/quote]

Finally, someone who understands what this model is missing.

I've got a fever and the only cure is more cowbell, er Skulls!

Nazi armored car to armored limo

Frazzled — GMT

[quote=JohnHwangDD]To be honest, I don't like the importing of RL scale models into 40k. At least, not without a lot of conversion. Typically, that means cutting an inch or two out of the length of the hull so that the vehicles are 40k-proportioned: short front-to-back, but normal width and height top-to-bottom.

With respect to KK's armored car, I think it needs at least an extra 3/4" of width, along with at least 1-1/2" off the nose. Do that, and it'll be OK for 40k.

With respect to JFraz' Koenigstiger, the turret swap helps, but it's still too long, and the exposed suspension is very un-Imperial. [/quote]

Actually, the exposed suspension matches the hellhound and chimera in the list. It is slightly longer than a Leman, but only by an inch, and thats my prob as its harder to conceal.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

[quote]I've got a fever and the only cure is more cowbell, er Skulls! [/quote]

i got an un-used TK army if skulls are needed
after i popped some heads should have arund 150 or so.
needs a daemon bumper.
a few bloodletters tiedon as a ram
or am i thinking too orky?

Nazi armored car to armored limo

Mad Doc Grotsnik — GMT

[quote=Stelek]Dude, you don't use Nazi tanks in 40K without denazi-fying them.

If you aren't sure why it's not accepted in the gaming community, you are clueless or trolling.

Look up 'KZ Manager', and then make a Dawn of War expansion based on that theme and see just what people really think of 40K after that.

Man, what is MY problem. Indeed.[/quote]

Does this mean you steer clear of Volkswagen and Fanta then? Both were products of Nazi Germany. Volkswagen, I believe, was actually state funded in a socialist way, and Fanta was created when the ingredients to make Coca Cola ran low.

But hey, they don't have the Nazi connotations anymore, do they?

Nazi armored car to armored limo

Frazzled — GMT

You know that explains my inherent dislike for Fanta, or maybe its just the commercials.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

didnt you know theres a swastika hidden under every fanta label?

Nazi armored car to armored limo

syr8766 — GMT

[img]http://www.tiboat8h00.com/perso/images/2008/fanta1.jpg[/img]

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JD21290 — GMT

does the 1 in yellow come with the fanta? if so ill take 5.

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JohnHwangDD — GMT

I think it's like the Spice Girls - you have to get the entire set.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

john, wanna buy the other 3 off me cheap?
ill do ya a good deal if you buy all 3 of em.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

The Dreadnote — GMT

Is it me or is the red one really, really sinister looking?

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

nah, just on an up from the acid.
give it a few hours and she will look like a pug.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JohnHwangDD — GMT

I'd only be interested in the purple. Guess you'll need a couple more to bite.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

JD21290 — GMT

i got yellow, purple sold to john, any takers on the other 2?

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Miguelsan — GMT

Don´t, the Emperor does not aprove!.
If you want to freak out just stare the red girl´s arms for a while and think what is missing. Then call your local inq for purging the mutant.

M.

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JohnHwangDD — GMT

Yeah, it's a Mutant! Burn the Mutant!

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JD21290 — GMT

lol, i want double if your just going to burn her

Nazi armored car to armored limo

malfred — GMT

BMW: Made airplanes? I saw that on that Sean Connery Movie.

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Viperion — GMT

I *think* BMW made airplane engines, but not actual airframes and fuselages etc...

Viperion

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Arctik_Firangi — GMT

That red 2nd edition Fanta Marine looks stupid.

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Arran235 — GMT

Just because the vehicle is Deutsch does not mean it is a Nazi Vehicle. The Swastika was never a Nazi symbol, they just copied it of the Hindus. Do not think all things German are Nazi, Many a German has had there Families murdered by them, myself included.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

wight_widow — GMT

For all defense of the conduct of Einsatzgruppen personel and other Heroic Defenders of the Reich, please post in this thread:

http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/0/217709.page

You can go on about the murder of loyal Aryan stooges all you like there. Having been fired from sales one too many times, I'm not even going to attempt to sell the competition to people who want to buy that Ku Klux argument. Just KEEP IT OUT OF MODELLING. 40 million + 6 million REAL corpses fertilizing the plains of Eastern Europe shouldn't be in the same topic of conversation as a plastic toy being used to represent something PRETEND. Let's just play nice here, kiddies.

* * *

I'm thinking somebody needs to put a soft drink thread up as well - though tangentially, you can tell fanta started out as an Indian product because the South Asian model is clearly the cutest, in spite of that hideous hairband. C'mon people, just being a lighter-hued Caucasian shouldn't rob you of your ability to pick out a (butter) face in a crowd.

Nazi armored car to armored limo

syr8766 — GMT

So here's another thought:

Since GW vehicles' MO is that they are out of proportion, why not take a 1/35 scale WWII staff car of some kind and 'reproportion' it for 40k. What does that mean? It means the car itself is 1/35, but the crew cabin is reduced in some way to make it closer to 1/48, and the passenger compartment is redone to make more APC-like and less 'repurposed Dodge'.

I'm not sure I'm explaining it right, but that's the general idea.